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ElmiraTelegram    117
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For the past two decades, a suicide epidemic fueled by guns, poverty and isolation has swept across the West, with middle-aged men dying in record numbers

The Centers for Disease Control recorded 47,173 suicides in 2017, and there were an estimated 1.4 million total attempts. Many of society’s plagues strike heavier at women and minorities, but suicide in America is dominated by white men, who account for 70 percent of all cases. Middle-aged men walk the point. Men in the United States average 22 suicides per 100,000 people, with those ages 45 to 64 representing the fastest-growing group, up from 20.8 per 100,000 in 1999 to 30.1 in 2017. The states with the highest rates are Montana, with 28.9 per 100,000 people; Alaska, at 27 per 100,000; and Wyoming, at 26.9 per 100,000 — all roughly double the national rate. New Mexico, Idaho and Utah round out the top six states. All but Alaska fall in the Mountain time zone.

 

Read the article in its entirety at https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/suicide-rate-america-white-men-841576/

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Chris    841

My problem with this article was the focus on guns. 

Guns are the means of suicide, sure, but there's a lot more leading up to that moment of pulling the trigger I think the article almost completely ignored. 

People are more isolated now, often by choice, because it's easier to chat online than in real life. There's a growing lack of community across the board; people aren't as involved in anything as they once were. So they get up, go to work, come home, eat, listen to the nightly news tell them how awful the world is. Then they fiddle around on their phone or the internet before going to bed and repeating the whole thing the next day. 

Then you've perhaps spent your entire life being subjected to this kinda crap from society:

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It’s easy to bash white middled-aged men in America. As a member of that privileged group, I’ll admit that much of the bashing has been warranted: No group in the history of the world has been given and squandered more than the white man.

So add to that the ridiculous lack of mental health care in this country, it's easy to see why someone would think no one cares when they're having a problem. 

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KReed    379
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2 hours ago, Chris said:

Guns are the means of suicide, sure, but there's a lot more leading up to that moment of pulling the trigger I think the article almost completely ignored. 

 

While I'm sure the USA has more suicides by firearms than other nations, we do not have the highest incidence of suicide. Not even close. People in other nations with almost complete gun control kill themselves at nearly twice the US rate. 

South Korea, Belgium and Japan come to mind.  If one hast the inclination to takes ones life, and it is not addressed, they can/will act on it by whatever means necessary. 

And WTF is the point of citing this "statistic" ?????

2 hours ago, ElmiraTelegram said:

All but Alaska fall in the Mountain time zone.

 

 

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Chris    841

Exactly. 

And once again, no one seeks to address the underlying issues that cause one to go to such extremes. 

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Johnny Go    121

The top three states are the states where loners, or those who have trouble fitting into society tend to go since those are the states with the lowest population densities.

Guns are a tool, not the reason.  Mythical intruders?  So mythical that there are probably more than a million defensive gun uses every year in this country.  

I can't believe I clicked through to that article.  What a POS bit of writing.  Yeah, white males have sooo much privilege, so much so they squander it.   

White males are the ones doing most of the hard, physical labor in this country.  They are also the ones doing much of the heavy lifting when it comes to protecting this country and its citizens.  But, no, that isn't mentioned at all, because they are privileged.  

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Chris    841
11 hours ago, Johnny Go said:

The top three states are the states where loners, or those who have trouble fitting into society tend to go since those are the states with the lowest population densities.

Do you suppose that instead of something being "wrong" with those people, the thing that's really not right is our society? 

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Johnny Go    121

Yeah, it seems like we are living in a dysfunctional household in this country, and world.  I wish we would get on with filing for a national divorce that is sorely needed since we seem to be so divided with irreconcilable differences.

But still, ascribing suicide to societal ills seems awfully Freudian to me, the concept that our parents are the root cause for many mental stresses people suffer (can you tell I just recently re-watched the Sopranos?).  To me the point is that high suicide rates are not due to either guns or location.  The location these people live could be just another symptom of their problems.  While someone committed suicide in Alaska or Montana, it doesn't mean they were born and raised there.  They could have moved there as an attempt to escape the ills that are bothering them.

Scholarly article this wasn't, just another fluff piece written to come to preconceived conclusions, and using vice shaming to attempt to accomplish their goals.

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Chris    841

But it's got us talking, so I'll take it! :)

In a nation of 350 million or more people, it's impossible to expect us to all live the same lifestyle, have the same beliefs, etc as each other. People in NYC have an entirely different culture than backwoods Alabama. Simple fact. Yet the people in Alabama are expected to conform to the social mores of NYC or L.A. Add to that the fact that the coastal "elite" seem to determine our nation's culture.

No wonder people feel so out of place and want to be more isolated. I can't say I blame them.

Many people are lost and confused, with no sense of self identity. Their concept of national, regional or cultural identity is dying before their very eyes. There's nothing to latch onto, or to feel a part of. 

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Hal    198
11 hours ago, Chris said:

 

Many people are lost and confused, with no sense of self identity. Their concept of national, regional or cultural identity is dying before their very eyes. There's nothing to latch onto, or to feel a part of. 

Agree, as a White,Older (  I refuse to say senior yet ), heterosexual ,  genuine male, I myself am feeling well ... lost! I can only imagine the rest of what’s left of my ilk feel the same. Not suicidal mind you, just don’t recognize where we fit in or as you say “ feel a part of “. Now to make my point. Imagine how it feels to be alone,homeless, not knowing which garbage can holds lunch,no family as a support group! Pick a State, City, Hell any geographical area, makes no difference! I can only think that person, old or young, is thinking “what’s the point of just waiting around to die ? Like the man in the movie Uncommon Valor, with the frag grenade chained around his neck said when asked why he wore it ... “When this World turns to shit , I’m going to pull the pin and see if the next one is better!" No I agree it’s not geographical in terms of where one lives, it’s where you are in life, your personal World . 

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